Women and prohormones..

I tired to get my wife to signup, but again..she leaves me to all the leg work. I am going to put her on some NOR-ADerm in July. I wouldn't do 4-AD with a woman. 4-AD cause water in muscle and most women do not like to look bloated!

How aboput 1-AD or 1,4dione for them?

1-ad is highly androgenic and would be a poor choice for a woman. Nordiol is probably the most you would want to give her. Even then a transdermal is probably overkill. PA recommends women use nordiol in cyclodextrin form with a max doasge of 3 per day.

Posted by: @bpdaddy

I tired to get my wife to signup, but again..she leaves me to all the leg work.  I am going to put her on some NOR-ADerm in July.  I wouldn't do 4-AD with a woman.  4-AD cause water in muscle and most women do not like to look bloated!

How aboput 1-AD or 1,4dione for them?

the amount of water they hold on such a low dose is very negligible...

my gf did not look bloated while taking it either...

Is she thinking of taking anything else? What is her next cycle gonna be?

Posted by: @bpdaddy

Is she thinking of taking anything else?  What is her next cycle gonna be?

she doesn't have any plans as of right now...

my gf has used both nor and 4-ad. she got good results from nor but amaving results from 4-ad. she is currently taking 25mg of 4-ad in cyclodextrin powder every mourning. no negative sides thus far and she is droping body fat much faster than she ever thought possible.

jm - nice to see you over here bud..

any chance you could get her to post a diary of some kind??

I talked to her last night about it and she will not do it herself. Keep in mind she is an artist type and very flaky, geting her to do anything on a daily basis is difficult. I got her persmission to keep a journal though and keep you all updated I will start it here on monday. She said she might pop in from time to time to leave her comments though. I will start in in a new thread on the "women and prohormones" section.

good to see you too..

awesome... thanks man for posting that journal..

All of my female clients who have used prohormones have used only the 19-Nor. There have been a few complaints of edema or water retension when they do not listen to me about taking half the maximum reccomended dose. All of them increased their recovery and strength and none suffered any masculinizing effects. Women also do not have to cycle the Nor as they do not have any nads to shrink.

Posted by: @androshack

Women also do not have to cycle the Nor as they do not have any nads to shrink.

oh.. ok.. so I guess they shouldn't worry about increasing the size of their clitoris then either?

Posted by: @RockECU

I'll try to get my gf to register and post about her use of 4-ad, and if she doesn't I'll post it for her later..  But in the meantime, are there any women on this board (any period yet?) that have used prohormones and received good results or if any of the guys know of women who tried certain prohormones and know of their feedback, I'm interested in reading any feedback you may have..

ok...I'm new here, but not new to the AVANT products--are you talking about the 4-AD topical stuff, right? I would be interested in knowing also, as I am just doing oral stuff now (not AVANT, sorry!) with great results. Par told me that Nor-Aderm was better for females as it has very little masculanization effects. But if your wife is doing 4-AD--is she having unusual hair growth or other things? You can e mail me this information if you like, because I am curious (and no, I haven't noticed any excessive hair growth, but then, I am a dark woman with dark hair and have always had some kinda hair thing going on).

As far as water is concerned: there are natural diuretics out there (B6 is just one of them) so that shouldn't be a problem. Sweating is also a diuretic; if she is doing a lot of cardio she is sweating a lot of that stuff out.

And if you ask me, a small amt of bloating is worth the strength gains, and this is from a power pov-not a competitive body builder ( I can't lose that much bodyfat at my age of 44).
-Alyse

BTW--clit enlargement is NOT always a bad thing, either <G>

Yes, mistress par is right. Stick to the Nor, avoid the 1-test at all costs. You can take both Nor-diol and dione and also a dab of 5-diol for libido and strength. I assume your taking an oral preparation which is not nearly as effective as the transdermals. You may be doing fine on 4-diol in capsule form but doing the trnasdermals might give you a beard and a hairy ass.

BTW, I agree a lil clitoral hypertophy is a good thing, especially for women with problems acheiving orgasm or thinking about a peircing lol.

I just wanted to give an update on why the diary is not posted. We had to put it on hold but we will be starting next monday. She developed an infection after her recent surgery. She had some ovarian sists lazed off as well as some old endometrial scar tissue removed, but the main reason for it was because one of her ovaries is not attached to her uterus. Her right falopian tube is not attached and that side is also missing the ligament that holds the uterus striaght. So anyway that overy fot traped between the uterus and her bowl. Thats why we knew there was a problem as sex suddenly became painfull for her, particularly anal intercourse which had allways been one of her favorites as her uterus is inverted because of that missing ligament (it grew upside down because of this) so its particularly pleasurable for her as her "g-spot" is upside down. anyway we put it on hold while she was taking the antibiotics as test can increase ther endo lining where the infection was.

well her course of antibiotics is over and I can report that the surgery was a complete sucess. So we will be starting the 4-ad again on monday as well as her diet which was on hold as well. So look for it to begin monday.

As far as mascularization effects. She has never had any from 4-ad use. Her clitoris does enlarge slightly for about 4 hours affter administration but I would imagine this has more to do with NO effects that tissue growth as it its ransient. Sorry I cant comment in hair loss. My GF is of eastern eupropean decent. Thin gypsy. so she has pale skin with thick course black body hair. This was allways a self esteem issue for her so I got her laser hair removal surgery. She simply dosent grow hair anymore and no amount of androgen will change that so I cant comment.