Anavar?

When it was all over and done with and only using Anavar she retained about 5 to 7 lbs. of muscle. That is very significant...especially for a woman.

Also, I noticed that you used Anavar alone for the last 8 weeks of your contest prep. In that phase it would be highly unlikely you would see much in the muscle gain category due to cardio and calorie restriction. That's not giving Anavar a fair shake for it to put on muscle.

Also, I saw where you used it for a bridge. Again, I don't think this gives it the proper test. I differ in opinion in that I do believe in a downgrading of receptor sites. I believe there is a natural curve of diminishing returns in regards to cycling anabolic steroids. If there wasn't then we could all stay on infinitely and continue to grow at an exponential rate. And anyone who has stayed on for long enough finds out that you don't continue to make gains at the same rate. You will reach a point where your muscle growth will stagnate. The body is an amazing thing. It is constantly striving for homeostasis. As bodybuilders we are constantly fighting our body's natural functions and instincts in order to become super muscular.

Anyway, opinions vary (as you have stated as well) which is why I would not say any one way is difinitive for everyone.

that is a good gain off a cycle for a woman OR a man. if people gains 10-20lbs per cycle and did say...10 cycles in their lives...well...you do the math;)

although i never "come off" i do switch up my compounds every so often. use certain compounds in the off-season (i also use the off-season to "experiment" with other compounds) and certain compounds pre contest..all my pre-contest compounds are used for is to keep my body from chewing up muscle tissue while on a strict diet.

your body IS always fighting for homeostatus. this is the main reason i believe "tapering" is such a good idea. your body recognizes that it's not getting "as much test" (eg) as it was and will start producing more to keep itself IN homeostatus.

anyways, good point, well taken;)

that is a good gain off a cycle for a woman OR a man. if people gains 10-20lbs per cycle and did say...10 cycles in their lives...well...you do the math;)

although i never "come off" i do switch up my compounds every so often. use certain compounds in the off-season (i also use the off-season to "experiment" with other compounds) and certain compounds pre contest..all my pre-contest compounds are used for is to keep my body from chewing up muscle tissue while on a strict diet.

your body IS always fighting for homeostatus. this is the main reason i believe "tapering" is such a good idea. your body recognizes that it's not getting "as much test" (eg) as it was and will start producing more to keep itself IN homeostatus.

anyways, good point, well taken;)

Of course our points can be discussed forever. It's good to see that while you're opinionated you're also open to hear others viewpoints.

It's funny to me that you mentioned this:

"if people gains 10-20lbs per cycle and did say...10 cycles in their lives...well...you do the math;)"

I remember when I first started training and gained 30 lbs. or so (not all muscle of course) that first year I thought I'd huge in a few years. Ok...so 3 or 4 yrs. of this and I'll be 300+! haha If only it were so easy. I think only Ronnie can pull off that kind of consistency. For most I believe there is a point where you have to scratch and claw for every extra pound of muscle you can get. My point is that I believe it becomes harder and harder to achieve the same gains as time goes on. Of course dosages usually increase to help compensate, but eventually it does become harder to push the body. Otherwise, we'd have guys running around at 450 lbs...I mean besides Kovacs.

Also wanted to talk about this point:

"your body IS always fighting for homeostatus. this is the main reason i believe "tapering" is such a good idea. your body recognizes that it's not getting "as much test" (eg) as it was and will start producing more to keep itself IN homeostatus."

I really don't see tapering being that effective if you're not truly coming off. Your natural test isn't going to kick in because of a taper. The mildest dosage of AS is still going to be more than the body's natural production and therefore you're body won't see a need to produce any. Also, if you've been on for a long period of time your body would be so out of whack that it would take serious PCT to get things kicked back in.

I do however like what you said about switching up your compounds. I do think that makes a big difference and can really help gains.

Anyway, just a few more points...

Of course our points can be discussed forever. It's good to see that while you're opinionated you're also open to hear others viewpoints.

It's funny to me that you mentioned this:

"if people gains 10-20lbs per cycle and did say...10 cycles in their lives...well...you do the math;)"

I remember when I first started training and gained 30 lbs. or so (not all muscle of course) that first year I thought I'd huge in a few years. Ok...so 3 or 4 yrs. of this and I'll be 300+! haha If only it were so easy. I think only Ronnie can pull off that kind of consistency. For most I believe there is a point where you have to scratch and claw for every extra pound of muscle you can get. My point is that I believe it becomes harder and harder to achieve the same gains as time goes on. Of course dosages usually increase to help compensate, but eventually it does become harder to push the body. Otherwise, we'd have guys running around at 450 lbs...I mean besides Kovacs.

Also wanted to talk about this point:

"your body IS always fighting for homeostatus. this is the main reason i believe "tapering" is such a good idea. your body recognizes that it's not getting "as much test" (eg) as it was and will start producing more to keep itself IN homeostatus."

I really don't see tapering being that effective if you're not truly coming off. Your natural test isn't going to kick in because of a taper. The mildest dosage of AS is still going to be more than the body's natural production and therefore you're body won't see a need to produce any. Also, if you've been on for a long period of time your body would be so out of whack that it would take serious PCT to get things kicked back in.

I do however like what you said about switching up your compounds. I do think that makes a big difference and can really help gains.

Anyway, just a few more points...

this is very pleasant, finally having a GOOD discussion with someone that has different views with myself without arguing (i get that alot as im a woman and most guys think i know jack shit;) )

we should do this more often;)

quick note~my tapering point wasn't directed at my own steroid use. i never taper as i never really come off....im also an older woman (36) and feel that my natural hormone levels have dropped enough that i can stay on without dealing with too many problems, staying on without coming off isn't for everyone, i mentioned in another thread (i believe) "staying on" would only apply to people who are in 30years + and/or have been training 10 years +....and, of course are competitive bodybuilders.....

i have one goal in life....to be Ms.O.....i will do anything (just about) and everything in my power to achieve this goal, as long as im not putting myself at risk (and i am checked by my doctor consistantly) or "masculenizing" my body...so far, so good....;)

i have one goal in life....to be Ms.O.....i will do anything (just about) and everything in my power to achieve this goal, as long as im not putting myself at risk (and i am checked by my doctor consistantly) or "masculenizing" my body...so far, so good....;)

At least you're not setting your goals too lofty. haha Even if you undershot the Ms. O goal just a little you'd still have made quite the accomplishment. What show are you looking to hit next? By the look of your husband you definitely have a good support partner and contest prep advisor. Keep training hard.

At least you're not setting your goals too lofty. haha Even if you undershot the Ms. O goal just a little you'd still have made quite the accomplishment. What show are you looking to hit next? By the look of your husband you definitely have a good support partner and contest prep advisor. Keep training hard.

i have to re-qualify for the nationals next year (due to an injury i couldn't do them last year) and then im off to try for my card...ps and myself take turns competing, we stick to a very "clean" diet while getting ready, and we can't both be "retarded" dieted down bodybuilders at the same time...been there, tried that, don't work;)

ive been thinking alot about your post, i have thought about something else for you to "chew on" 🙂

the woman that made the gains, she is given anavar @ ? (im not sure of her dosages) she eats right, as she is doing a cycle and hits the gym harder than ever.....

partial placebo effect?

sorry, just something to keep this conversation going;)

the woman that made the gains, she is given anavar @ ? (im not sure of her dosages) she eats right, as she is doing a cycle and hits the gym harder than ever.....

partial placebo effect?

sorry, just something to keep this conversation going;)

The mind is a powerful tool, but the gains were too significant to be completely attributed to a placebo effect. She did a mild dose in my opinion...tapered up to 15 mg and then tapered down over 10 weeks. She was on an outlined diet and training program and she also has many years of training under her belt. She has been consistent for some time and when the AS was introduced you could tell very significant changes in strength, muscle gain, and hardness of the muscle.

These changes were made in a quick manner and to such a degree that it would be hard to dispute that the supplementing wasn't a major factor. Especially since the variables in training and diet didn't change to a great degree.

The mind is a powerful tool, but the gains were too significant to be completely attributed to a placebo effect. She did a mild dose in my opinion...tapered up to 15 mg and then tapered down over 10 weeks. She was on an outlined diet and training program and she also has many years of training under her belt. She has been consistent for some time and when the AS was introduced you could tell very significant changes in strength, muscle gain, and hardness of the muscle.

These changes were made in a quick manner and to such a degree that it would be hard to dispute that the supplementing wasn't a major factor. Especially since the variables in training and diet didn't change to a great degree.

damn...im jealous...i wish i could make gains off small amounts of compounds....great work 😉

The mind is a powerful tool, but the gains were too significant to be completely attributed to a placebo effect. She did a mild dose in my opinion...tapered up to 15 mg and then tapered down over 10 weeks. She was on an outlined diet and training program and she also has many years of training under her belt. She has been consistent for some time and when the AS was introduced you could tell very significant changes in strength, muscle gain, and hardness of the muscle.

These changes were made in a quick manner and to such a degree that it would be hard to dispute that the supplementing wasn't a major factor. Especially since the variables in training and diet didn't change to a great degree.
Just curious, but was this her first cycle? Many people have much more significant gains on intial cycles than later ones. While an experienced BB, like QOD might get little to no mass from Var alone, a woman on her first cycle may well see some significant gains.

Just curious, but was this her first cycle? Many people have much more significant gains on intial cycles than later ones. While an experienced BB, like QOD might get little to no mass from Var alone, a woman on her first cycle may well see some significant gains.

I agree with you, FlexinNC (and I think QOD would to). QOD is up to 600 mgs. of test per week so a mild dose of Anavar most likely wouldn't do much in comparison to that.

The beginning of the conversation was about Anavar having an effect on sex drive and muscle gain. I was just stating that Anavar alone can be effective. But of course your cycle history (among other variables) is going to play a major role in how effective a substance reacts an individual.

...and to QOD. It was great work on her part. And it is funny how some people can blow up on certain amount and another can do the exact same regiment and make small gains. Everybody's different. Not that this relates to you in the case of Anaver per say. Like you stated, at your level of supplementation it probably isn't going to be as effective unless you do a much larger dosage.

I agree with you, FlexinNC (and I think QOD would to). QOD is up to 600 mgs. of test per week so a mild dose of Anavar most likely wouldn't do much in comparison to that.

The beginning of the conversation was about Anavar having an effect on sex drive and muscle gain. I was just stating that Anavar alone can be effective. But of course your cycle history (among other variables) is going to play a major role in how effective a substance reacts an individual.

...and to QOD. It was great work on her part. And it is funny how some people can blow up on certain amount and another can do the exact same regiment and make small gains. Everybody's different. Not that this relates to you in the case of Anaver per say. Like you stated, at your level of supplementation it probably isn't going to be as effective unless you do a much larger dosage.

agreed. i have gone beyond the 20mg dose of var...sigh....i wish it was that easy....

chew on this, this is my pre-contest stack for next year; i will run my sust/slin (yes, im running slin again but i figured out the problems i was having and all seems well now) up until january, then switch up to propionate until 12 weeks out...at the 12 week mark, i stop the prop and switch to;
50mgs var ED
20mgs Nolvadex ED (this dose will go up if i see fit)
last 8 weeks i will throw in tren @ 75mgs twice a week (Tren Acetate)

the simpler the better IMO.

Chesty 😀 what do you think about this cycle? remember, i never come off...

agreed. i have gone beyond the 20mg dose of var...sigh....i wish it was that easy....

chew on this, this is my pre-contest stack for next year; i will run my sust/slin (yes, im running slin again but i figured out the problems i was having and all seems well now) up until january, then switch up to propionate until 12 weeks out...at the 12 week mark, i stop the prop and switch to;
50mgs var ED
20mgs nolvadex ED (this dose will go up if i see fit)
last 8 weeks i will throw in tren @ 75mgs twice a week (tren acetate)

the simpler the better IMO.

Chesty 😀 what do you think about this cycle? remember, i never come off...

I think that is a very potent cycle for a female...but we've already established you're a big timer in that department. I noticed you've got that Anavar in there. Just out of curiosity, what brand of Anavar are you taking? The SPA Anavar at 2.5 mgs per tab works great, but at that dose you'd have to take out a loan to use it. I'm sure you're using a high dosage per tab brand...

Also, can you outline how you're going to run the 'slin? What was the problem you were having last time with it? Just wondering what made you decide to go that route again.

And if you're going to use test why stop it 12 weeks out? You wouldn't have to worry about water retention from it until you were almost up to showtime...especially with prop.

I will say this about you...with sust/slin/prop/tren/50 mgs Avavar ED...no one can say you're not hardcore.

One last thing...I saw that you didn't include any clen or t3. Any particular reason?

I think that is a very potent cycle for a female...but we've already established you're a big timer in that department. I noticed you've got that Anavar in there. Just out of curiosity, what brand of Anavar are you taking? The SPA Anavar at 2.5 mgs per tab works great, but at that dose you'd have to take out a loan to use it. I'm sure you're using a high dosage per tab brand...

Also, can you outline how you're going to run the 'slin? What was the problem you were having last time with it? Just wondering what made you decide to go that route again.

And if you're going to use test why stop it 12 weeks out? You wouldn't have to worry about water retention from it until you were almost up to showtime...especially with prop.

I will say this about you...with sust/slin/prop/tren/50 mgs Avavar ED...no one can say you're not hardcore.

One last thing...I saw that you didn't include any Clen or T3. Any particular reason?

i run my slin postwork out @ 2iu's. i ran into problems with it before, i was going hypoglycemic off 2iu's and couldn't stay on top of it....so, now when i use slin, immediatly after my workout and shot i have a shake which consists of 60gms of protein and 40ish gms of carbs, an hour later a piece of fruit which is high in sugar (banana) this seems to stop the hypo. the problem before as i was "following" the rules of using slin...and it didn't work for me...i had to bump up my carb/protein intake....this brings us back to "what works for one, won't nessicarilly work for another"

as far as the test goes, i can't diet on it. my pre-contest diet is very low carbs, for some reason test makes me hypoglycemic as well if i try to diet on it...so when the diet kicks in, the test goes...(unfortunately)

i will be using Orbit anavar, not sure if you guys heard to this stuff in the states, they have 10 and 25mgs anavar caps, which works great. i have used the 2.5mgs pills before, for the amount im taking, it's kind of a pain in the ass to have to count out all those pills every freaking day. but, the 2.5's i was using were "HollidayLabs".

i must stress to any women reading this that THIS IS NOT A CYCLE FOR YOU. i am VERY experienced in my usage of hormones, slin can be VERY dangerous...not something you want to screw around with if you don't know how to use it (as i have found out in the past) and the compounds (tren especially) i am using WILL CAUSE SIDES! so don't follow my lead.

although i have NEVER had any noticable sides in the past, i am willing to accept them if i get them...this is something i decided a long time ago...i am a VERY competitive bodybuilder and WILL BE Ms.Olympia one day;)