Training for strength doesn't build musclemass.

Quote: Originally Posted by Doggcrapp Anybody who saw his 19-20 year old powerlifting pics where he is over 300lbs know sure as hell that aint true....
He's 322 pounds right now in the offseason, he will be coming into a show around 265-270

In Teen nationals, he was 225 at 6'

So 45pounds of pure muscle mass is pretty amazing in the last couple years, 300+ in the offseaon or not, 25% BF or not.

All i'm saying is he's training lighter now, he even gave up squats and leg presses, atleast he said that in an interview.

He also had to train lighter on the deads to bring down his lower back thickness, his lower back was like two bridge cables, lol.

He's still strong as an ox though.

Im not arguing he might be training lighter or bringing things down now---Im arguing that when is the last time you saw a 19-20 year old kid who had that kind of muscle size that young? Almost never.....and that former 300lb offseason powerlifting methodology allowed that. If you guys think he would be that big if at 16 years old he decided "im never going to go above 7% bodyfat and im going to train with light weights and go for the pump only from now until im 30 years old".....aint no way in hell.

Think it out---how many 18-21 year olds are trying to train exactly like he is currently training....99.99% of them?
How many look like Trey?
Now how many 18-21 year olds took their bodyweights up over 300lbs and powerlifted using incredibly heavy slag iron? 0%?
Genetics aside.....there is something to be said about having the beautiful huge house on the hill.....and that something is taking the time to build the foundation to put that house on.
Who has been the most massive freak pro bodybuilder over the last decade separating himself from the pack? Ronnie Coleman-powerbuilding/powerlifting/heavy weights mentality and background. Who has been the most massive 20 something bodybuilder to come around the last couple years separating himself from the pack? Trey Brewer-football/powerlifting background.....its not a coincedence believe me

The reason you see what you do on the right is the result of whats on the left (him at 18-19 years old in blue shorts).....its not like this very year he skyrocketed from 225lbs and went to 320lbs this year offseason from some magical routine he suddenly happened upon in 2007....this kid went to a large smooth bodyweight at 18-19 years old and built a huge amount of his muscle mass......and he has continued to put on muscle mass because he is genetically awesome....but he is there quickly because he went the fast-track route to it.
Steve Kuclo went from 180 starting to 280 with Justin Harris training with him over the past few years and we all know how Trop trains (heavy slag).

This is one of my pet peeves in this sport....supplement companies or trainers who want to take the credit or even bodybuilders who forget how they made their way up the ladder really quickly in muscle mass. Does Trey look small to you guys in those 18-19 year old powerlifting pics?

Gosh, I can't wait til he gets on stage again!

Quote: Originally Posted by Doggcrapp The reason you see what you do on the right is the result of whats on the left (him at 18-19 years old in blue shorts).....its not like this very year he skyrocketed from 225lbs and went to 320lbs this year offseason from some magical routine he suddenly happened upon in 2007....this kid went to a large smooth bodyweight at 18-19 years old and built a huge amount of his muscle mass......and he has continued to put on muscle mass because he is genetically awesome....but he is there quickly because he went the fast-track route to it.
Steve Kuclo went from 180 starting to 280 with Justin Harris training with him over the past few years and we all know how Trop trains (heavy slag).

This is one of my pet peeves in this sport....supplement companies or trainers who want to take the credit or even bodybuilders who forget how they made their way up the ladder really quickly in muscle mass. Does Trey look small to you guys in those 18-19 year old powerlifting pics?
Small?? Fuck no, he looks like a Belgium Blue!

I was trying to find those pics/video to post as well. I got crap searching skills, LOL!

I agree with everything you said, Dante. Especially the part when people make the decision to stay under 10 % their whole lifting years and then complain 5 years down the track that they do not look much better at all. During that time they talk them selves up, when they realize they wasted their years. It kind of is a kick to the you know where from reality.

I dislike how the supps/trainer pretty much take all their credit because "... they gained the best results in the last two years". What happened to the times when he did all the hard work?

I think in those 19yr old pics, he looks HUGE, MEGA BIG.

This is always going to be the topic at hand between bodybuilders.

Quote: Originally Posted by glennr2222 Small?? Fuck no, he looks like a Belgium Blue! thats interesting you'd bring up that breed of cattle, how much do you guys know about the research on myostatin? the belgian blue is known as a "double muscled" breed of cattle and features a mutated version of the myostatin gene. basically this mutation causes uninhibited muscle growth from birth from what i understand. admittedly, i am not an expert on the subject, but i know that there is research out there about myostatin and humans, i read about a german newborn who was muscular at birth, the article said that his grandfather was a bricklayer who was known to manhandle 300+ pound curbstones and the child was found to have a mutated version of the myostatin gene, basically causing him to be a muscle building machine from birth. anyways, i just wanted to know if you guys had heard of this....

Quote: Originally Posted by Doggcrapp Im not arguing he might be training lighter or bringing things down now---Im arguing that when is the last time you saw a 19-20 year old kid who had that kind of muscle size that young? Almost never.....and that former 300lb offseason powerlifting methodology allowed that. If you guys think he would be that big if at 16 years old he decided "im never going to go above 7% bodyfat and im going to train with light weights and go for the pump only from now until im 30 years old".....aint no way in hell.

Think it out---how many 18-21 year olds are trying to train exactly like he is currently training....99.99% of them?
How many look like Trey?
Now how many 18-21 year olds took their bodyweights up over 300lbs and powerlifted using incredibly heavy slag iron? 0%?
Genetics aside.....there is something to be said about having the beautiful huge house on the hill.....and that something is taking the time to build the foundation to put that house on.
Who has been the most massive freak pro bodybuilder over the last decade separating himself from the pack? Ronnie Coleman-powerbuilding/powerlifting/heavy weights mentality and background. Who has been the most massive 20 something bodybuilder to come around the last couple years separating himself from the pack? Trey Brewer-football/powerlifting background.....its not a coincedence believe me

O ok, i see what your saying now, and i agree.

While I agree with the thread, I have to comment on all the hype about Trey.

IMO There is so much hype surrounding him because of the weight he carries...He has soooo much work to do to match his upper body to his lower. Plus he looks like he has pretty poor genetic muscle bellies IMO. His arms look bad when dieted down and his back is seriously poor. It will be interesting to see how he turns out though.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ajk_lpool While I agree with the thread, I have to comment on all the hype about Trey.

IMO There is so much hype surrounding him because of the weight he carries...He has soooo much work to do to match his upper body to his lower. Plus he looks like he has pretty poor genetic muscle bellies IMO. His arms look bad when dieted down and his back is seriously poor. It will be interesting to see how he turns out though.

I don't think it's the physique quality everyone is talking about, it's the mass this young guy has put on, he's 22 and 322 pounds right now, and a lean 265-270.

Poor back, or poor muscle bellies, 270 pounds at 5'11" - 6' is damn impressive in my book.

Quote: Originally Posted by Wanna-Be-Big I don't think it's the physique quality everyone is talking about, it's the mass this young guy has put on, he's 22 and 322 pounds right now, and a lean 265-270.

Poor back, or poor muscle bellies, 270 pounds at 5'11" - 6' is damn impressive in my book. True, I agree with this. Just refering to his actual physique, which isnt nearly as impressive as the weight he carries IMO.

Damn, i still wouldn't mind looking like trey brewer at that 300+ lb "lineman" look. Cut down 30-40lbs and we got something special already at that age, let alone 250-270lbs super lean. I'm a young guy (21) so to see trey brewer (though i have the genetics of a ken doll) doing what he is doing is a real inspiration to me to keep eating and getting up to that "undesirable" 300lb level for a little while just to have something freaky for a long while. It really does come down to just how bad you want it.

Hey guys, just saw this thread, and have a few questions, which i hope you wont mind answering, i just turned 19, and started training at the gym a year ago, prior to that i just did alot of running and pushups at home, when i went to the gym, for about the first three months, i was just "pushing weight", then eventually i started training for "the pump". Personally i always preferred to be pushing weight, because i just felt more satisfied, but if you're training heavy for strength and size, what is the muscle supposed to feel like? are you supposed to just focus on the chest (during a bench press for example) even if theres no feeling in the muscle at all? are you supposed to feel a stretch or contraction? im just very confused on the subject... OR is there "good form" and instead of going lighter and feeling the blood volume, you just go heavier and keep "good form" even though the feeling isnt the same?
i hope i didnt make it too confusing lol
thanks anyway
Jared

I still feel a pump doing RPs, maybe that's just me.?

Quote: Originally Posted by Wanna-Be-Big I still feel a pump doing RPs, maybe that's just me.? I always pump, the only way i don´t pump is when my form is off