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str8flexed
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i've never seen any literature showing that diet sodas interfere with updake of anything... only that they may cause increased calcium excretion from the phosphoric acid but that's it

i take 10mg yohimbine in the morning & 10mg in the afternoon

-Layne

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Posted by: @str8flexed
i've never seen any literature showing that diet sodas interfere with updake of anything... only that they may cause increased calcium excretion from the phosphoric acid but that's it

i take 10mg yohimbine in the morning & 10mg in the afternoon

-Layne

Yeah, this is all I have read, and it isn't to say it does interfere, I just wondered if you knew anything more.

THE EFFECTS OF CARBONATION ON YOUR HEALTH
by Steve Edwards

Concern over drinking carbonated beverages has been escalating in recent years. It’s rumored to inhibit athletic performance and has been linked to osteoporosis. But is there any truth to these rumors?

Carbonation in sodas comes from dissolving carbon dioxide in water, a process also used for sparkling waters. While many people seem to enjoy the effect of carbonation in their beverages, one can’t help wonder how this odd sensation affects the body.

Most of the carbon dioxide (CO2) is lost before the soda even reaches your mouth. Of that ingested, most (around 70%) is carried by the red blood cells in the form of bicarbonate. Since this is the natural bodily process of metabolizing carbohydrates, the effect of added CO2 is not drastic for the body to deal with.

Some studies in the early 1990’s suggested a link between carbonation and osteoporosis due to urinary excretion of calcium. However, a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition disproved this claim showing instead that this was due more in part to caffeine in soda.

Further health claims, such as carbonation neutralizing stomach acids and impairing the breakdown and absorption of essential nutrients, seem to hold more validity. Since you are adding bicarbonate to the blood stream, it should somewhat upset the body’s chemical balance. For this reason, it’s logical to assume that the common claim of carbonation effecting performance during athletics has some relevance. While its effects are probably not great enough to worry about in general, it is certainly good protocol for athletes to refrain from drinking carbonated beverages when attempting to achieve optimal performance.

When it comes to soft drinks, carbonation can hardly be considered a concern since virtually everything else on most soda’s ingredient lists is more cause for concern. But since soft drinks are so unhealthy in general, this should be considered more fuel to the fire in your fight to avoid them whenever possible.


   
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Posted by: @str8flexed
i take 10mg yohimbine in the morning & 10mg in the afternoon

-Layne

Would this be pre workout (cardio) or in general. Empty stomach?


   
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as someone who is probably on a bodybuilding diet... you will never have an "empty stomach" nor should you

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Posted by: @str8flexed
as someone who is probably on a bodybuilding diet... you will never have an "empty stomach" nor should you

Well, I guess what I mean is, before meals.


   
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QUOTE2. I have read a few things on this, but since it was brought up that you consume diet sodas (which I am also very guilty of myself) do you believe the carbonationof the soda inhibits uptake of any supplements, or has any negative effect whatsoever?

As Layne said, about the only effect is the phosphorous deal. However, carbonation can mess with subcutaneous water retention, bloat and dampness. I have found a gem in Fruit2O. Particularly the Plus version which works well given the fixed nature of a competitive 'in-season' modified CKD scheme which I employ.


   
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Layne,

Quick question about fat burners, I bought some lipoderm ultra recently. It'll be the first time I attempt spot reduction & I want to make sure I get the caloric defecit needed for it to work. The thing is that I'm trying to finish up a PhD and my experience with fat-burners is that they make it hard to concentrate on my work. Question is, given you're doing something similar, can you suggest anything that would work well burning up the fat without being overly stimulatory? Basically the most (fat-burning) bang for my (stim) buck? Or is it best to just throw in an extra 500kcal/day worth of cardio?

BTW - congrats on the pro cards, you looked great - loved the traps on the most muscular, & I'm not gonna get started on the vacuum...


   
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without a caloric deficit, you might as well not even put that lipoderm on IMO

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Layne, this is a serious question so don't think I'm messing with you when I say this but...

Why is Ephedrine not allow but Yohimbine is?

If it's due to ruling and it was allowed, would you use it?

If you answered NO to that last question due to not being 'nature' then how do you justify Yohimbine?


   
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it is still banned in some natural organizations because it's legality is still in limbo. Yohimbine on the other hand isn't illegal and never has been to my knowledge. Whether or not it occurs in nature is not the reason for the debate

Have i used ephedrine before? Yes a long time ago. Do I think it should be banned? Probably not. It's no more dangerous than many other substances that are out there... ephedrine was just the sacrificial lamb of of the supplement industry. Would I use it again if they unbanned it... probably not... the first reason being that I've always gotten very good results without it, and the second reason being that I wouldn't want to take it and then have it get banned again, and even though that probably wouldn't disqualify me... it would make for one hell of a polygraph question... "have you used ephedrine within such and such date... etc" Polygraphs make me nervous enough, I don't want any kind of doubt in the back of my mind.

-Layne

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QUOTEephedrine was just the sacrificial lamb of of the supplement industry

I think that this was because of ephedrine's use as a precursor in manufacture of controlled street drugs.
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Posted by: @Josh
I think that this was because of ephedrine's use as a precursor in manufacture of controlled street drugs.
J

you can use pseudoephedrine to do that also though

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Posted by: @str8flexed
without a caloric deficit, you might as well not even put that lipoderm on IMO

Thanks for the speedy response. Yes I'm going to aim for about 500 Cal/day defecit like I said, it's just that sometimes when I cut back my 'calories in' my 'calories out' drop back too, and I wanted to give the lipoderm a fair go - so that's why I was thinking of throwing in a fat-burning supplement. I think I'll give it a go for half the bottle with a cardio & diet derived defecit only, and see where that gets me...


   
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I remember reading a news article a couple months back citing a study in which it was found that zero-calorie carbonated beverages inhibited weight loss to some degree.

I'll see if I can find it.


   
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Posted by: @str8flexed
it is still banned in some natural organizations because it's legality is still in limbo. Yohimbine on the other hand isn't illegal and never has been to my knowledge. Whether or not it occurs in nature is not the reason for the debate

Have i used ephedrine before? Yes a long time ago. Do I think it should be banned? Probably not. It's no more dangerous than many other substances that are out there... ephedrine was just the sacrificial lamb of of the supplement industry. Would I use it again if they unbanned it... probably not... the first reason being that I've always gotten very good results without it, and the second reason being that I wouldn't want to take it and then have it get banned again, and even though that probably wouldn't disqualify me... it would make for one hell of a polygraph question... "have you used ephedrine within such and such date... etc" Polygraphs make me nervous enough, I don't want any kind of doubt in the back of my mind.

-Layne

So in your opinion you get better results from Yohimbine more so than Ephedrine, or am I reading too much into it?

But as far as your other explanation, I guess thats #256 why it's likely I'll never actually compete.


   
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