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07/12/2022 4:02 am
Stop taking Arginine, Nitric Oxide, or pre-workout formulas around your workouts. (Yeah...this is going to start some controversy. Haha!!) There is something called the ISSN convention. ISSN stands for International Society or Sport Nutrition. This is where the top doctors and big shots of supplemental research go to learn about the new stuff. It happens in Vegas every year. Research will not be presented there unless the research is EXTREMELY conclusive. If it is not conclusive or relative, you have a huge number of doctors (in the same related fields) who will call them out on the spot. I have the abstract personally. I will type it out underneath this. Okay...here is the kicker: Arginine and nitric oxide have been proven to inhibit the secretion of growth homone when taken close to exercise. Okay...when we are lifting weights (stressing the body), what hormone do we really need for recovery. Hmmm...that would be growth hormone. This is not good. This is the opposite of what we want. Don't get me wrong freakz. I was also taking a pre-workout mix with lots of Arginine caps. I have stopped, and I will never take them again close to the workout. Don't misunderstand me here either. I am just telling everybody to stop taking them close to the workout. You can still take them at other times for good vaso-dilation, blood flow, macro-nutrient delivery, amino acids, etc.
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Speaker: Jill Kanaley, PhD. Dept of Exercise Science, Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY 13244
Title: Oral Arginine Supplements: Should we or shouldn't we?
Level 3.
Abstract: In attempts to promote gains in muscle mass and strength gains, numerous training protocols and supplements have been tested. Further, muscle enhancement occurs in conjunction with the GH/IGF axes, thus many believe that the increases in GH concentrations seen with exercise promote muscle growth and strength gains. It is also known that intravenous arginine infusion increases basal GH secretion, but controversy exists on the combined effects of arginine and exercise in stimulating the GH release. In addition, complicating the studies on arginine and exercise is that the route of administration may be important. One study using intravenous arginine found an additive GH response with arginine+exercise, while several studies using oral arginine have reported that arginine+exercise did not enhance the GH response. Is it possible that arginine may enhance protein synthesis independent of GH or really enhances metabolism in ways that have not been measured? This presentation will focus on the research of the influence of oral arginine ingestion on GH release and other possible functions that oral arginine may be having. Further this seminar will examine the acute responses vs. the chronic responses to arginine ingestion.
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My personal friend, who is going for his masters degree in Education towards Kinesiology, when to this convention. (He has his bachelor's degree in Exercise Science. He also has his CSCS, which is Core Strength and Conditioning Specialist through NSCS. The CSCS is actually ridiculously hard to get. You MUST have a degree in a related field to get it.) I have the abstract, and I typed it out exactly above. He has seen the research, and I am trying to get the research. When I download it, I will put it in this thread. What he saw and heard was enough for him to tell me this with urgency.
07/12/2022 4:25 am
Facinating, I had heard the same thing from a qualified friend. That sucks, I think I'll stop taking my nitric oxide. How much are HGH levels reduced i wonder. Maybe I'll only take it when I'm on growth?
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07/12/2022 4:46 am
I am trying to get the research. I don't know how much it is affected. I could ask my friend. He might remember. Although...no matter how mimimal the inhibition is, it's enough to make me stop. GH is a very anabolic hormone we NEED for tissue repair.
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07/12/2022 5:14 am
I forgot to add this part, and it is written as follows:
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Key: Please note that the name of the speaker, affiliation, title of their talk and level of their talk are all listed below. The level of the talk is defined as: Topic level (Level 1 = for the health enthusiast; Level 2 = undergraduate; Level 3 = masters' level; Level 4 = doctorate level)
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The abstract and research of this study is on a masters' level. I had to add this in case if anybody was like...what does Level 3 supposed to mean? 🙂
07/12/2022 5:32 am
Interesting..... I have heard that Arginine pyroglutimate is the superior form of oral arginine so far as inducing GH secretion.
I really like SAN's Fierce product for pre-workout energy and pumps. But I only take maybe two days per week as needed for energy reasons.
I would be curious if arginine would act to nullify exogenous IGF-1 consumption. I have been getting into IGF-1. It would suck if these supplements interrupted the action of synthetic IGF-1.
07/12/2022 5:50 am
I can't wait for more research on this. I'm all about the how & why.
07/12/2022 6:14 am
bump, any new info???
07/12/2022 6:33 am
from what i read in the article it said it does not enhance the gh secretion, unless i am missing something it is not a bad nor good thing.
i didnt get anything out of it reguarding actual inhibition of gh, so if gh stays the same, its neither bad nor good, youll just have open bloodvesels.
07/12/2022 6:56 am
interesting info.. i take arginine but never used as a preworkout supplement before..