Eca Question!!

That will depend on every person, as everyone will be different, I would guess though a person would burn an extra 400 cls or so per day maybe more but i dont think its really that much to be worth using the stuff. I am dead set against speeds and stimulants all but t-3 at low doses and clen and med doses although I always take the highest dose on clen but i do that because I dont respond to it well. Just remember using that stuff can mess up your sleep and this is when you burn the most cals is sleeping.

there is nothing wrong with a good old ECA stack and I would definitely choose that over t3...
As for T3 I would not take it at a drop of a hat - studies have shown if your thyroid is underactive or deficient in any way taking hormones that directly effect your thyroid can cause permanent damage - I would look at your family history first and if there are any signs of thyroid problems either stay away from T3 or have your own thyroid checked first.

AK--not doubting you, but do you have some studie showing how a person burns more calories while they sleep?

I personally think ECA is great,rips the fat off me almost instantly.
Here in good ol' blighty (England), we get T5's which is ECA in a capsule,
1 a day for 3 weeks then a week off usually does the trick for me.

I personally think ECA is great,rips the fat off me almost instantly.
Here in good ol' blighty (England), we get T5's which is ECA in a capsule,
1 a day for 3 weeks then a week off usually does the trick for me.

now your talking - great stuff

now your talking - great stuff

I've dropped almost a stone of BF in just short of 3 weeks.

There is a million web pages on this. But i dont think a person who does not lift run or what ever burns as much as a guy girl who does, this is the time your body repairs itself and this takes up a lot of cals, at least thats what I learned in the 80's in fitness and health class. could have changed it always does, but There is still the web. And Jam on that t-3 I told you that a long time ago that there was studies saying that T-3 can blow your thyroid out if and for them reasons, not you but another guy said i was wrong remember? But My family has a history well just my mom, and mine is fine, I think you need to get your thyroid checked out first before you take t-3 or any drug or steroid for that matter. But eca stack is not better than a t3 t4 clen stack its not even in the same ball park.

There is a million web pages on this. But i dont think a person who does not lift run or what ever burns as much as a guy girl who does, this is the time your body repairs itself and this takes up a lot of cals, at least thats what I learned in the 80's in fitness and health class. could have changed it always does, but There is still the web. And Jam on that t-3 I told you that a long time ago that there was studies saying that T-3 can blow your thyroid out if and for them reasons, not you but another guy said i was wrong remember? But My family has a history well just my mom, and mine is fine, I think you need to get your thyroid checked out first before you take t-3 or any drug or steroid for that matter. But eca stack is not better than a t3 t4 clen stack its not even in the same ball park.

where did i say it was better? I said I would choose an eca stack over T3 - personal preference - and I would definitely not recommend using T3 without the person in question at least checking their family medical history.. I get a little pissed off with people suggesting T3 like it is candy and not pointing out what problems can occur if there is a possibility of thyroid problems

Thats very true Jam, but when the person first gets on here he is already told to research this shit if they dont then shame on them, But its good to warn them every time, I just dont bother since the doses i recommend can not will not even if your pron to it will effect you in any way (Unless your really really unlucky) 12.5mcg of t-3 will not make a dent on your natural production nor will it hurt you in any way. I just took a 2 moth brake for t-3-t4 combo both in very small doses, and I for some reason seem to have my metabolisms sped up now, this is bad, so i went back on and it seemed to calm it down,,..go figure. But I never said you saids what you said there just so you know I said that:)..

Also so offense to anyone here, but i personally think eca has more sides than any thing, this is why I dont take it, this is not candies either and not a toy, it pisses me off as well when some one say take this(not that you did you did not) but some ppl do and this stuff can also kill you, 1 if you have high blood presure and don't know it and you take this stack pre buy a coffin 2 if restricts your blood flow this is also deadly if your lifting and your heart for some reason can not get the blood it needs the thing stops.3 it speeds you up to much making scars on your arteries and heart. But the stuff is reasonable safe as is t-3 nothing is ever safe if you start off with to big a dose or your pron to shit. But I just wanted to say this so anyone who reads this does not think t-3 is any safer than eca or ecac stackes.

here is some info for you if your going to do ECA stacks, sides and other info to keep you safe.

Mild side effects of dehydration, nausea, dizziness, sweating, insomnia, shakiness, and light-headedness, include symptoms of ephedrine products, which seem to gradually disappear over time. Racing heart, accelerated blood pressure, heart palpitations, and mental distortions include symptoms of ephedrine products, which have led to serious health risks.

A recent assessment by the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition acquired a collection of data pertaining to the number of reports that suggest the harmful risks of ephedrine might not outweigh the benefits. The study includes a complete account from January 1993 to February 2001:

3,308 negative reports for all diet supplements--- almost half of these (42%) linked to the ephedrine

137 reports of death--- 59% linked to ephedrine

38 cases of heart attacks---84% linked to ephedrine

98 cases of cardiac arrhythmias---62% liked to ephedrine

144 cases of hypertension--- 63% liked to ephedrine

85 cases of stroke---81% linked to ephedrine

121 cases of seizure---58% linked to ephedrine

The FDA is convinced that these numbers are considerably inaccurate due the suspicion of massive underreporting (Anonymous, 2001).

Evidence that products containing ephedrine can produce a mentality similar to the manic side of bipolar disorder, due to an increase in energy, loss of appetite, heightened alert, insomnia, and extreme concentration. Experts have even believed that ephedrine has been taken in large doses to achieve a sense of euphoria. Withdrawal from ephedrine would in turn revert the subject into a depressed mood, the other side of bipolar disorder (Naresh et al., 1998).

(Note from the FDA)
No dosage of dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids is safe and the sale of these products in the United States is illegal and subject to FDA enforcement action.

137 reports of death--- 59% linked to ephedrine

38 cases of heart attacks---84% linked to ephedrine

98 cases of cardiac arrhythmias---62% liked to ephedrine

144 cases of hypertension--- 63% liked to ephedrine

85 cases of stroke---81% linked to ephedrine

121 cases of seizure---58% linked to ephedrine

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you would need to know the dosages that where involved - I really cant see this happening on 25mg of ephedrine a day.
Like most countries the USA has a weight problem and my guess would be alot of the ephedrine used and these figures are related to overweight/obese people who are already open to the conditions you have listed and I would put money on that they use higher dosages then we do. We use ephedrine along with diet and exercise - we realize it is not a magic tablet and we still have to get of our arses to get the body fat down..

this is from the FDA web Site Jam... I am sure its more flawed than not, but thats all studies as we both well know. But a person still should take this info into account just to be safe. But still the deaths were linked to it. One if the deaths was if you remember a few years back maybe 5 or so, that 500lbs guy who was taking his friends said the stuff to lose weight, and he would take the stuff and sit on the couch and watch tv. Finally after about 1 month it came out that he was taking 400mg's of the stuff, and thats what killed him + he was grossly out of shape. But like you say on 20-25mg of Ephedrine, i say as 12.5mcg of t-3 it is very safe even for long term uses. But not everyone will handle either at this dose, there are ppl with really weired body's and they can take one thing 1 day and the same thing the next day and die. This is a very well documented fact that stemmed from coke use. And they were investigating very small amounts of the drug, most of the ppl who died from the coke were snorting it, and only had 1 line, but how big was the line about 1/2 of a gram, not sure how much that is sounds like a lot to me, but the show i watched said this is very little from what a coke users takes normally. MY wife was in the ER once from a drug over doses (accidental) But the guy on the bed next to her oded on what he said was just 1 line of coke. When she woke up I told her remember the young guy that was next to you, and he was saying what he did and how much... I told her they pulled out the zappers and tried to bring him back but his heart stopped, or went into some flapping thing they could not stop, and he died. Not that this will happen to any one we know but it can so Like you said Jam and I agree 100% ppl should know that non of this including ephedrine stacks are safe as a kitten as they are not. Sorry but I am dead set against ephedrine and always have been, I dont care if ppl take it, but I personally can not handle it, even at 20mg caps i bought once. I cant lift on them feel week cant concentrate and feel the need to escape to some place. And think on this in the 90's they had some ephedrine caffeine aspirin combos with other speeds int hem as well, that the ephedrine was at 200mg in 1 pill... they were called bumble bee's anyone remember them suckers man they sucked.

I feel as though the ECA took a bit of a toll on my liver. My color had become more yellow than brown....