Pyramiding cycles by heavyiron

great thread....
im not a beginner
im intermediate and found the test... decca... and( dianabol around week nine) very interesting i have anabol ...omegas injectable dianabol.. i might finally use it

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Heavy, can I switch EQ for Deca in this cycle?

Week 1-6 500mg T weekly
Week 7-8 750mg T and 200mg Deca
Week 9-10 1 gram T and 200mg Deca
Week 11-12 1,250mg T and 200mg Deca
Week 13-14 1,500mg T and 200mg Deca
Week 15-16 1,750mg T and 200mg Deca
Week 17-18 2,250mg T ***
Week 19-20 2,500mg T **
Week 21-22 2,750mg T

or do you think i should switch EQ for deca in this cycle

Week 1-6 500mg T / 200mg Deca
Week 7 750mg T / 400mg Deca
Week 8 1 gram T / 400mg Deca
Week 9 1,250mg T / 600mg Deca / 40mg D-bol daily
Week 10 1,500mg T / 600mg Deca / 40mg D-bol daily
Week 11 1,750mg T / 600mg Deca / 40mg D-bol daily
Week 12 2,250mg T / 50mg D-bol daily ***
Week 13 50mg D-bol daily
Week 14 50mg D-bol daily

I am gpoing to tone down the test a little in both cycles.

Thanks for your imput.

Think i need to up my test a bit.LOL

In 70's and early 80's we still pyramided all of our cycles. And PCT was never considered. We just banged away for 12 weeks, took at least equal down time, and then back again to a pyramid with different compounds. However, I have not seen dosages as large as reported here. A typical cycle may be a maximum of 750 test C, with 500 EQ, and some Dbol, or anaver. I never had a cycle that i would call ineffective. They all worked, as long as I did my part in the gym. Now that I'm pushing 60, my cycles are very simple, with moderate/low dosages, and all is well. Of course every person has his own limitations and every compound may work a little differently in each individual.

In 70's and early 80's we still pyramided all of our cycles. And PCT was never considered. We just banged away for 12 weeks, took at least equal down time, and then back again to a pyramid with different compounds. However, I have not seen dosages as large as reported here. A typical cycle may be a maximum of 750 test C, with 500 EQ, and some dbol, or anaver. I never had a cycle that i would call ineffective. They all worked, as long as I did my part in the gym. Now that I'm pushing 60, my cycles are very simple, with moderate/low dosages, and all is well. Of course every person has his own limitations and every compound may work a little differently in each individual.

Did you gradually decrease the dose before coming off?

So since there isnt an issue until day 56, if someone is doing a 6-8 week cycle is there any point in pyramiding (other than determining tolerances to a new drug)?

So since there isnt an issue until day 56, if someone is doing a 6-8 week cycle is there any point in pyramiding (other than determining tolerances to a new drug)?

Most steroids are dose dependent so the more you take the more they work to a degree. In other words start as high as you feel comfortable then kill it in the gym and at the kitchen table.

I see this is an old thread. But wholly fuckerini! These kind of doseages are scary, but I do admit things have changed a lot since the 70's. A heavy duty cycle back then was 750 mg T, 500 deca, and an oral for 16 weeks. Maybe another injectable in there too. The cycles were all pyramids, and they started with .5 to 1.0 ml, and expanded on that. Some of us were competing at these levels back then. I wonder if there is a tipping point where the effectiveness drops off? I'll be the first to admit that I am no expert, and I've been training natural from 1989 till 3 years ago.

Gahdam! Hah! And i just wanted to do Test lol!!!...so u were 20, im 20, i probably wont do this anytime soon but im imagining someone very big at 20 in ur case lol...y not the PCT? was it not known back then or u just didnt care? Teach me your wisdom oh master of the Iron!

Letro does possess a slightly longer half life so dosing less frequently is fine but keep in mind the more T you administer the shorter the half life.

question on this point. I may be mistaken with the way its said but what i got is that the more T administered, the shorter the half life of T. But knowing half-life thats wrong because Half-life is not dose dependent. So correcting myself I am assuming that the Half-life of letro is reduced when T is increased? and if thats the case, do AAS' half lives affect eachother? or do they only affect other hormonal drugs/compounds?

Some good information there, but those test doses are high! Is that common? Highest I've ran is 750mg pharma grade for 10 weeks. Was taking 225mg Tri-tren with that.

Does anyone have information about how long it can take for Myostatin level to return to normal?

question on this point. I may be mistaken with the way its said but what i got is that the more T administered, the shorter the half life of T. But knowing half-life thats wrong because Half-life is not dose dependent. So correcting myself I am assuming that the Half-life of letro is reduced when T is increased? and if thats the case, do AAS' half lives affect eachother? or do they only affect other hormonal drugs/compounds?
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Testosterone affects the AI's ability to lower Estradiol.

Does anyone have information about how long it can take for Myostatin level to return to normal?
In the Myostatin study it was measured at week 20 and was at baseline.