[Sticky] First Cycle and PCT~2025

Great info!

good stuff indeed

Awesome post heavy! Super helpful for a beginner like myself. I have lifted frequently for 2 years just bought some gear a couple weeks ago. Does anyone know a good place to order the aromasin? I have started my cycle and sounds like I really need it. I was only aware of PCT's. Thanks in advance!

First off. This thread is a great piece of info. Thanks heavy iron. My question is this, it seems to be a common stance on this discussion that some AI should be taken regularly throughout the cycle to keep estr in check. In my curious reading, I have run across other posts (where i can't remember) that say you don't necessarily need to start taking them for simple beginner test cycle (ie 500/week test e) unless you notice effects of increasing estrogen. Bloating, gyno/itching tits/etc. And that estrogen can actually be helpful in maximizing gains (again at a sub side effect level). So what's everyone's opinions as to whether a light dose of an AI should be started and run throughout the cycle for a basic test only moderate dose (400-600mg) or on a "wait and watch" basis. Thanks the great info, cheers!

moblk I just started my 1st ever cycle and am running 500mg/week Test C with 1mg arimidex every third day. The more I read on here and reading some of the issues people have had I thought why not go with the safest route. I am not sure if this will effect my gains but I will be running this for 12-16 weeks and as a 1st timer I want this cycle to go as smoothly as possible/positive experience. I know their is a lot more experience and knowledgeable people on here just wanted to give you a view point from a newbie.

I'm going to be running my first cycle here soon and I've read a lot of conflicting info about pct. I was planning on buying nolvadex for pct and having aromasin on hand in case of gyno. Some forums say use clomid instead of nolvadex and others say it doesn't matter. Opinions?

Posted by: @myles91

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I'm going to be running my first cycle here soon and I've read a lot of conflicting info about pct. I was planning on buying nolvadex for pct and having aromasin on hand in case of gyno. Some forums say use clomid instead of nolvadex and others say it doesn't matter. Opinions?

Both SERM's will facilitate recovery. I have no problem if a guy wants to use Tamoxifen rather than Clomiphene. Tamoxifen is also highly effective for gyno treatment.

This thread makes me feel much better about running aromasin @10mg ED while on cycle. I have nolva& clomid for PCT. SHould i continue to use Aro thru the cycle and during PCT or will that crash my E2? Im going to wait till week 6 to get bloods to see where I'm at. Just started week one and did my 2nd pin last night. Cant wait for the test e to kick in with the Turanabol!! 🙂

hey heavy,
can you please tell me if a PCT fails what can I do?
after a 5 month cycle, with HCG, I followed Scally's PCT: 2 weeks HCG blast - 2500IU every other day, Clomid 100/100/50/50, Tamox 20/20/20/20. Testes responded very well to HCG, but no LH and FSH at the end of PCT. after another 2 weeks still no LH secretion, I started loosing weight and jumped back on cycle. I can not afford HMG or rFSH and I want to procreate in the near future.
thank you

Great thread/info

Posted by: @oversupplimented

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This thread makes me feel much better about running aromasin @10mg ED while on cycle. I have nolva& clomid for PCT. SHould i continue to use Aro thru the cycle and during PCT or will that crash my E2? Im going to wait till week 6 to get bloods to see where I'm at. Just started week one and did my 2nd pin last night. Cant wait for the test e to kick in with the Turanabol!! 🙂

There are a lot of E2 control and PCT options but the simplest setup is an AI on cycle with aromatizing compounds and a SERM for recovery.

Posted by: @apollo_mas

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hey heavy,
can you please tell me if a PCT fails what can I do?
after a 5 month cycle, with HCG, I followed Scally's PCT: 2 weeks HCG blast - 2500IU every other day, Clomid 100/100/50/50, Tamox 20/20/20/20. Testes responded very well to HCG, but no LH and FSH at the end of PCT. after another 2 weeks still no LH secretion, I started loosing weight and jumped back on cycle. I can not afford HMG or rFSH and I want to procreate in the near future.
thank you

I would run the SERM a bit longer next time. Maybe 6 weeks instead of only 4.

Posted by: @heavyiron

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I would run the SERM a bit longer next time. Maybe 6 weeks instead of only 4.

I'm scared if I run the SERMs after HCG until I see a change in LH (IF that is going to happen) I will stay those weeks with no test and I will loose a lot of weight. but if it's the only way....

thank you for your answer. and did you recomend to use the SERMs 6 weeks AFTER HCG?

Posted by: @apollo_mas

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I'm scared if I run the SERMs after HCG until I see a change in LH (IF that is going to happen) I will stay those weeks with no test and I will loose a lot of weight. but if it's the only way....

thank you for your answer. and did you recomend to use the SERMs 6 weeks AFTER HCG?

Scally's PCT with longer SERM use.

So do you drop HCG and aromasin when you start pct? And that's when you pick up Clomid ans nolva?